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Comment by DMA on March 21, 2012 at 1:52am

Hi Reg & JJH

All I can say chaps does this conversation take us nearer our goal our further away...lets agree to put this in the too hard basket and move on.

Cheers

Denis

Comment by JJH on March 21, 2012 at 1:35am

   Hi Reg;

   Where did your common sense go? Is this how you debate? If I or someone does not see what you see in a photo then you will no longer debate or converse with them ...but instead take on the attitude of a spoiled child. I dare say Reg ...I just lost a degree of respect for you mate. Not only is that an extremely narrow minded attitude. It is a ridiculous statement!

No Reg …I will not do my own calculations to prove you mistaken …that is not how UNC works …you made the claim & reinforced your claim with this challenge …it is up to you to back up your claims. I’m fairly well versed in simple mathematics …Formula: An expression used to calculate a desired result, such as a formula to find volume or a formula to count combinations. Formulas can also be equations involving numbers and/or variables. Your formula includes only two constant term numbers …the width of the sun @ 900,000 miles & the distance the sun is from the camera. It has no other known values …everything else is a variable …it would take a very good mathematical mind to figure anything out in this situation. In fact impossible …you can look this up under mathematical terms. This formula needs the size of the object & the distance from the camera. In any equation these would be variables in parenthesis …meaning they must be solved before the equation can be solved …that is simple grade 10 algebra. Without this information it is not a formula …but an impossible equation. Knowing this …I am not going to attempt to do my own calculations to prove you’re in error …because this statement proves it. There is NOT enough information to form a formula…period. I’m afraid you’re in error & in denial.

In reference to your enlarged enhancement …it still looks like a blob …I see no craft or ship …but I do see something that looks like a puppy or kitten if I use my imagination. But like the man in the moon …when we become adults we know there is no man up there …just an erred perspective of craters that resembles a face.

“Although in my defence I felt I had included enough evidence to convince a blind man”…unquote …you nailed it there & are 100% right in this statement …but I am not blind ...& only a blind man would accept this. All I see is something moving past the cameras field of vision. In my pursuit of honesty & the truth …to state anything else would make it …only my opinion or guess based on zero evidence!

If you refuse to converse with me or debate this further …it is simply because you have nothing to add …that will back up your claim. But I must say ….this attitude is reminiscent of the elite club that hates UNC because you & Tony debunked their photos. They don’t want answers …it seems you don’t either …unless that answer is your own. But the fact is …there is no answer available in the information offered in this video. I chose to ignore the other silly remarks …as they are not conducive to UNCs goals. …JJH/UNC

Comment by reginald perin on March 20, 2012 at 6:08pm

Hi Jim,
        First my Thanks, as always it's a pleasure to have you ground me in my oft imaginative opinions, with the power of your mind, which is my anchor.  Secondly my apologies, for yet again I have failed in communicating my opinion properly, as you and apparently others, have yet to understand what I had said.  Although in my defence I felt I had included enough evidence to convince a blind man with a braille printer, that something extraordinary was happening here.
Since I had included a picture of the ship, I can only imagine that you didn't see, ignored or disregarded it, for reasons yet unknown to me.  I shall post it one more time in here for you.

If you can't see it, then I see no point in continuing a conversation about it.  But if you do see it, then you may have to accept some of the conclusions I had given.

As far as my calculations are concerned, in any case, this object is still moving very fast, I did state they were 'rough' but there are some value's we do know in terms of perspective of the cameras relation to the sun, as we know where it is, how far away the Sun is and the width of field of view, taking the Suns location as a horizon line, enabling us to 'roughly calculate' the distance covered by the object if it is indeed close to the Sun.  With the right side of the Sun's CME emissions passing behind the object, we can naturally assume the object in just in front of the Sun, in close proximity to it, as it's glow increases as it gets hit by said CME's.

Unless your going to tell me this glows and changes shape on it's own?... which has it's own implications.

May I ask you to do your own calculations in this respect, if you wish to prove me mistaken.

If I was one of the aliens in this ship in this video, I'd be stating this as a fact but it is obviously an opinion, an observer of a 2D video, watching a bright object pass the sun (900,000 miles wide), 93 million miles away... and yes, I would say this ship is big.... V E R Y   B I G !

Let me know if you see the ship, so that I may know if we can continue this conversation.

Comment by JJH on March 20, 2012 at 1:08am

Reg;

With all due respect …I think your imagination has tricked you. You showed UNC the formula you used to extrapolate this distance traveled including the speed & time duration. But your basic starting point is 100% speculation.  First NO ONE knows the size of this object or even where it is in relation to the sun …or relation to the camera for that matter. Your starting point …the very foundation for this formula …does NOT exist. WHY? Because the information does not exist in this video …the size & distance of this object is totally unknown. The extrapolation point or information for this formula simply does not exist. Nor can it be found in this vague video. For all we know …this could be a golf ball sized ball of energy or space junk floating a few feet in front of the camera ...or ANY distance for that matter. THAT is the information one needs before ANY formula can be applied. This calculation fails at the very beginning due to this. So it is 100% speculation.

I looked …& I looked very closely at each of your time point references …& I see NONE of what you see. For example …show me this 180 degree turn please? I don’t see a ship …I see an unknown blob floating across the cameras field of view …it is the same color as the CME …which is a bust of energy …perhaps this too is simply a ball of energy. The CME has NO effect on it as there was no reaction from it …so I assume it is not anywhere near the force of the CME.  Your statement …”For over an hour the ship emits an energy burst, like a miniature CME.” …I see only the CME from the SUN passing the orange blob. It originated from the sun …that is evident in the non-magnified portion.  Heat-shield??? Please show me a heat shield? First …please show me evidence that this is a ship or craft …when I’m convinced of that …only then will I consider a heat-shield.

Fact is Reg …there is a blob of orange light crossing in front of this camera. That is really where this ends due to no more information. To say it is a craft …to say the speed is known …is wrong! …period. But you went the extra step of saying it possessed a heat shield & was collecting the suns energy …to go on to say something was shot at the sun to release neutrons is really going out on a limb. But then you added this ….” During the ships 5 day transit across the Sun the 'Halo' heat sink is in constant use.” This statement is so totally misleading the public that I must make the disclaimer that this NOT supported by myself or the UNC club in general …but is simply the opinion of one member! …who in my opinion is 100% wrong! Reg …when you make claims like this & offer formulas to back them up & …I will certainly challenge you to PROVE it! Your error was failing to state that this is just your opinion …but you instead have passed it off here on UNC as FACT! Facts can be proven …& this is what I ask you to do then …back this formula up …I’m not asking you to prove it as that is impossible. Just back up your claims …as they are extremely misleading to the public.

UNC does not earn respect by making such a statement …then failing to state that is only your opinion …by doing so …this is being passed off as fact ...& in my opinion …it is simply ridiculous. Let’s get back to reality …we do see something strange & interesting …but NO ONE has a clue what ta hell it is. Wouldn’t that be more accurate than telling the public it is a ship with heat shields & a neutron collector?  Or shall you next tell us what the pressure reading is in that external tank just behind the heat shield. …JJH/UNC

Comment by PAUL 2012 on March 19, 2012 at 11:26pm

Hey Bros! Thank You for the comments & especially you Reginald for your comment.

Comment by reginald perin on March 19, 2012 at 11:11pm

Hi all,
      Watching this video several more times, I have to change some of my conclusions from previously stated.  I initially assumed this object would be passing over the centre of the Sun (above it) but watching the video several times & seeing side CME's pass behind this object I am led to believe the object is in front of the Sun.
Monitor measurements:

Using the white ring (the size of the sun... 900,000 miles wide) in the middle of the black circle, as a guide following the transit of the object across the sky ( right to left) I had made a rough calculation of it traveling 4.5million miles, over 129 hours at a speed of approx. 35,000 Mph.
At half the perspective distance distance (between the satellite & the Sun), it would be traveling 17,000Mph Vs distance & time.
There will be arguments of 'perspective distances' in relation to the calculations since I had already stated this to be in front of the sun but in any case, it is traveling at a fast speed.

Believing this to be a UFO collecting energy the Sun produces (Neutrons as a power source), I no longer hold the belief the 'pot' or 'collector' at the front of this ship to be collecting the Suns energy but instead  in essence to be a 'Heat sink', to dispel excessive heat collected, as shown @3:46 where the ship emits a burst of energy.

There is far too much happening here to call it 'something natural happening'...
Timeline:  This video is a practical animation, each image is separated by 15 minutes in real time.
Date:                                            Video Time

March 2nd                                  0:20    Ship emits beam for almost a whole day, where a CME strikes in the middle of projected beam area.
March 3rd 16:39                          0:58     Where the 'Halo' appears as it gets closer to the Sun, (the heat sink working).
March 4th 09:54                                1:58    Where the 'Cylinders' appear, believed to be something fired at the Sun to help the release of Neutrons from the Sun.  Where afterwards in the video a CME burst emits from the projected trajectory. (top left of the Sun)  2:34.
March 4th 10:09                          1:20 to 1:24   CME emitted by the Sun, where a CME resistant pocket is present.
March 4th  13:54                         1:25    The Sun's emissions dull down to near darkness.
March 4th  12:39               approx.2:36    The ship starts a 180 degree turn.
March 6th    19:39 to 21:09           3:46 to 3:48  For over an hour the ship emits an energy burst, like a miniature CME.
During the ships 5 day transit across the Sun the 'Halo' heat sink is in constant use.

Am I to assume the image of this ship I highlighted is being disregarded in this case, in favor of either space debris, a gas pocket or particle field that looks like a ship, which emits a beam, resists CME bursts in relative close proximity to the Sun, travels at 17,000Mph+, turns and has a halo on top of the leading edge of it?

Comment by JJH on March 18, 2012 at 11:39pm

I must say ...I do not have a clue what this is. I will guess what it could be. It could be a cloud of gas or charged particles ...it is the same color as the CME. I agree with Kevin that it may be behind or even in front of the sun. I say this because the CME does not seem to effect it ...I cannot guess at the actual size of the object because the distance is unknown. Yes ...it does change shape ...but this could be natural if it were a gas cloud or even charged particles. It does not seem intelligently controlled at all ...it just moves across the screen. 

The narration is simply ridiculous ...does this fella think the sun is a living entity that can see & shoot an CME at an object? ....that was a little lame to say the least.

I think the three things that appear to be tubular are glitches. ...perhaps a form of lens flare? or even reflections. That is just a guess. They are huge if they are objects ...so where are they in other photos taken at this time ...was this the only camera in the entirety of thousands of observation telescopes? This solar flare was well advertised ...one would think many telescopes would be focused on the sun during this time ...but this is the only place it appears. I could not find it on other photos of the CME activity ...but in honesty did not do a thorough cross reference & could not always have the same time frame displayed. But I'm willing to bet it will not appear anywhere else ...so I think it is endemic to this stereo optic camera. 

Reg & I discussed how the title of a video can be misleading ...but I still will not allow them to be changed to suit our beliefs ...as that is manipulating the evidence. But in this case ...the title is ridiculous ...there is nothing ...absolutely NOTHING to imply this is another planet ...as I've said in the past ...I do not believe Nibiru exists ...we can find & identify planets in other Galaxy's & can't find one in our own solar system? ...think about that if you will?

As far as the CME discharging in that same direction ...that is likely a simple coincidence ...but if this is a charged cloud or particles it may attract the CME to itself ...but not the other way around. I will not entertain the idea of the suns ability to direct or even control the CMEs. The only thing that is not totally random when it comes to sun flare storms is the 11 year cycle.

...in my opinion ...of course. ...JJH 

Comment by reginald perin on March 16, 2012 at 7:01pm

Hey Kevin,
              Your input & opposing idea's are important to try and thrash out the possibilities of what this is & whats happening.
I have to counter on the points you raised of what you think may be happening here.

When the ship has the beam emissions it is furthest away from the Sun, where you would expect the ship to be of it's lowest glare, it's glare doe's increase as it gets closer.
If this beam is a reflection, wouldn't it be wider?
If the beam is reflecting (from it's right side, which it appears to be), wouldn't this mean the ship is in front of the Sun & not behind it?
One also has to take into consideration that the centre of this beam is where the centre of the CME projects out to.
What did you think of my picture analysis of what I believe to be the ship?

<Click The Pic For a Larger View>
Personally, I see a bowl (top left) with an opening in it, 2 exhaust ports at the bottom of this bowl and a third, below top right of the bowl.
What did you think of what looks like the ships own CME emission @3:46? ... after collecting these plasma discharges from the Sun, which can be seen in this objects 'Halo' as it transits across the Sun.
May I ask you where these other pictures are of a beam being projected through photo's on UNC? ... If you could direct us or link to these please.

Comment by kevin on March 14, 2012 at 7:04pm

I still am not convinced yet watched this time and time again. The so called beam its at the highest point of the glare and this is projected through someones photos on unc so i will rule out the beam of light sort of speak. I still think its quiet a bit of distance behind the sun and think its more glare than anything else of something. is it a ship well thats the question. (personally i think no i think it could be soemthing from one of the space flights myself. biut i could be wrong.

I am not saying its from  soem nub that likes to cgi things . all i am saying is that I think there is more of a plausable explantation that here there are sort of speak

Comment by DMA on March 14, 2012 at 1:28am

Hi Reg

I agree with you on this one as this is exceptional evidence that something intellegent is controlling the craft. No man made space debris could withstand the forces of the sun...so we must conlude that this evidence is a keeper and subject to more indepth anyalsis.

Cheers

Denis

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